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You see a difference in Heaven in Revelation 4 and 5 between the angels and the Saints


I'm not sure what you mean here do you mean between the 24 elders and the angels ? Do you mean that the 24 elders are saints ? ( I think that the 24 elders are the 12 disciples and the 12 sons of Jacob and that they are saints ). Do you have a study that explains what you mean by a difference more ?what the difference is ?


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you see angels as one group and the Saints which are given judgment eventually (Daniel 7 also)


Are you talking about these verses ?

1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Rev 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

How do you see this verse then ?

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

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The reason being is that the Earth had been the world that Satan when he was Haylayl had ruled... the life on it had been destroyed


What life was here that was destroyed ? Do you mean dinos ?

I think dinos are the behemonth that God made the same time as Job ( but before Job was born in the flesh) .

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

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the life on it had been destroyed and Satan had been cast down here and man had been put here (the reflection of God) to literally rule over him.Sin has warped things though


Are you saying that man was put on earth to rule over satan ?


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You see, it is much more than just the Earth that is being cleansed, but the entirety of the created universe.


I'd really like to here more about that. (even from text out side the Bible )


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the angels in the middle of the Tribulation being forced down to earth


What verses do you mean ?

I take the verses about Jesus being made lower then the angels Psa_8:5; Heb_2:7; Heb_2:9;as saying that He was made as man in the flesh , without the supernatural powers of the angels in contrast to the fallen angels that came here with their supernatural power in order to have power to rule over the people that were here at that time (took all that they chose Gen.6. ) I think Heb 2:9 shows that especially.


Do you believe that the soul and spirit are the same thing then ?

(Isa 42:1 ?,Matt.12:18 ? )

I see 1 Corin.15:50-end. as 2 groups of people at the seventh (last) trupt who haven't died before Christ comes back with the host, if they are part of the first resurrection they change to immortal incorruptible bodies those who are not part of the first resurrection have mortal incorruptible bodies and are in danger of the second death and are called the "dead" until after the Millennium (EZ.44:25) , I think that is who we will be ruling over. I think that is what is being talked about in EZ 40-end. Like this flesh age is all messed up. Ez.22:26, Joel 3:15-21. So during the Millennium Christ will rule with a rod of iron to make us do it over right Ez.44:23 (except in incorruptible, like the angels ,bodies ), so that we don't lose the "dead" to the second death. Rev_2:11; Rev_20:6; Rev_20:14; Rev_21:8;

I think these verses show that EZ.40-end of the book of EZ is talking about the Millennium.....

Eze. 43:7 And he said unto me, Son of man, the place of my throne, and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel for ever, and my holy name, shall the house of Israel no more defile, [neither] they, nor their kings, by their whoredom, nor by the carcases of their kings in their high places.
Eze. 44:2,3,
Eze. 47:12,
Eze 48:35 [It was] round about eighteen thousand [measures]: and the name of the city from [that] day [shall be], The LORD [is] there. ( Rev.3:12, 21:3, Joel 3:21)


:imho Are you sure you find this interesting or would you rather that I. :chillin