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A Disciple Posts: 17574 04/08/09 15:07:13 A Watchman	Tags : christian, faith, works, obedience, word, spirit Dead Faith from the Book of James JAMES 2:14-17 " 14 WHAT DOTH IT PROFIT, MY BRETHREN, THOUGH A MAN SAY HE HATH FAITH, AND HAVE NOT WORKS? CAN FAITH SAVE HIM? 15 IF A BROTHER OR SISTER BE NAKED, AND DESTITUTE OF DAILY FOOD, 16 AND ONE OF YOU SAY UNTO THEM, DEPART IN PEACE, BE YE WARMED AND FILLED; NOTWITHSTANDING YE GIVE THEM NOT THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE NEEDFUL TO THE BODY; WHAT DOTH IT PROFIT? 17 EVEN SO "FAITH, IF IT HATH NOT WORKS, IS DEAD, BEING ALONE. " This scripture is reminiscent of the one that Jesus asked when the rich young ruler went away sorrowfully because he would not give all that he had away and follow Jesus. What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul? There is a kind of faith that profits you, and a kind that does not profit you. There is a shallow faith that has no works connected to it that is no better than that the demons have, and it has no power to save at all for there is no fruit produced from it. For faith to be "profitable" to us, it must produce fruit. JAMES 2:19 THOU BELIEVEST THAT THERE IS ONE GOD; THOU DOEST WELL: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE. MATTHEW 8:29 AND, BEHOLD, THEY CRIED OUT, SAYING, WHAT HAVE WE TO DO WITH THEE, JESUS, THOU SON OF GOD? ART THOU COME HITHER TO TORMENT US BEFORE THE TIME? MARK 1:24 SAYING, LET US ALONE; WHAT HAVE WE TO DO WITH THEE, THOU JESUS OF NAZARETH? ART THOU COME TO DESTROY US? I KNOW THEE WHO THOU ART, THE HOLY ONE OF GOD. MARK 5:7 AND CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, AND SAID, WHAT HAVE I TO DO WITH THEE, JESUS, THOU SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD? I ADJURE THEE BY GOD, THAT THOU TORMENT ME NOT. LUKE 4:34 SAYING, LET US ALONE; WHAT HAVE WE TO DO WITH THEE, THOU JESUS OF NAZARETH? ART THOU COME TO DESTROY US? I KNOW THEE WHO THOU ART; THE HOLY ONE OF GOD. But their belief does them no good. There will be a group that will be as tares among the wheat in the church that will be involved in church activity and be there when it is going on and think mistakenly that they were a part of what God was doing, but God never knew them. They have a kind of faith… a kind of godliness (looking unto God), but there is still no Christian fruit. MATTHEW 7:20-23 " 20 WHEREFORE BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM. 21 NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAITH UNTO ME, LORD, LORD, SHALL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. 22 MANY WILL SAY TO ME IN THAT DAY, LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS? AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS? 23 AND THEN WILL I PROFESS UNTO THEM, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY. " 2 TIMOTHY 3:5-7 " 5 HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS, BUT DENYING THE POWER THEREOF: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY. 6 FOR OF THIS SORT ARE THEY WHICH CREEP INTO HOUSES, AND LEAD CAPTIVE SILLY WOMEN LADEN WITH SINS, LED AWAY WITH DIVERS LUSTS, 7 EVER LEARNING, AND NEVER ABLE TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. " If our faith in Jesus Christ becomes "real" and we are truly born again, then we shall have fruit and the works to go along with it. Just wishing well for others is not enough. Just wanting things to be better is not enough. Faith produces some action that is borne of God. EPHESIANS 2:8-10 " 8 FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD: 9 NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. 10 FOR WE ARE HIS WORKMANSHIP, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS UNTO GOOD WORKS, WHICH GOD HATH BEFORE ORDAINED THAT WE SHOULD WALK IN THEM. " We are saved through faith by the grace of God through God's gift. But when we are truly "saved" or delivered from our sin and the death of that sin, then we are His "workmanship" created or born again in Jesus Christ unto good works. The good works comes from us because Jesus is there by the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit is being produced. If you have no Christian fruit and good works, then you haven't been truly saved. Works comes after faith. But it does come. The new birth creates a new life and a new heart that wants to do what pleases God. We lose our love with sin and love Jesus instead. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD. THE POINT ABOUT FAITH IN JESUS IS THAT IT BRINGS NEW LIFE IN THE NEW BIRTH! IT IS THE ABUNDANT LIFE OF JESUS THAT HE PROMISED. JOHN 10:10 THE THIEF COMETH NOT, BUT FOR TO STEAL, AND TO KILL, AND TO DESTROY: I AM COME THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE LIFE, AND THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE IT MORE ABUNDANTLY. We were ordained by God to walk in righteousness (good works) that come from Him. Before we were saved, it was God's will that we be saved and walk this walk in faith. It produces works. FAITH THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE THE WORKS OF GOD IS NOT TRUE BIBLICAL FAITH AND HAS NO POWER TO SAVE. The early church literally sold what they had, and cared for one another. Those who had not were loved and cared for and all gave and shared alike in love. This is the only time that such a community has actually worked and it worked not because of a political ideology, but because of the love and fear of God. There was a strong manifestation of God as the Word was being preached at that time and the love of God drew them together as a new family of God. The presence of Jesus in our lives (if we have made Him Lord and we are walking in faith) will cause us to reach out when someone is hungry. If we can just look at them and just pronounce… "be filled" and walk off without doing anything to help them, then OUR FAITH IS DEAD. IT DOES US NO GOOD AND WE ARE NOT PROFITABLE TO GOD, EACH OTHER, OR OURSELVES. The love of God is real and moves us to action. For God so loved the world that He gave his best, and when we have that love in us it moves us to action and to give and reach out to help others. MATTHEW 5:16 " LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. " 1 TIMOTHY 6:17-19 " 17 CHARGE THEM THAT ARE RICH IN THIS WORLD, THAT THEY BE NOT HIGHMINDED, NOR TRUST IN UNCERTAIN RICHES, BUT IN THE LIVING GOD, WHO GIVETH US RICHLY ALL THINGS TO ENJOY; 18 THAT THEY DO GOOD, THAT THEY BE RICH IN GOOD WORKS, READY TO DISTRIBUTE, WILLING TO COMMUNICATE; 19 LAYING UP IN STORE FOR THEMSELVES A GOOD FOUNDATION AGAINST THE TIME TO COME, THAT THEY MAY LAY HOLD ON ETERNAL LIFE. " TITUS 1:16 " THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, BEING ABOMINABLE, AND DISOBEDIENT, AND UNTO EVERY GOOD WORK REPROBATE. " We will be moved on by the love of God to reach out to those who are hurting and hungry and in need. This is what Jesus and the Apostles did, and this is what we will do if we are truly "in Christ". JOHN 13:35 " BY THIS SHALL ALL MEN KNOW THAT YE ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YE HAVE LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER. " 1 JOHN 3:10-14 " 10 IN THIS THE CHILDREN OF GOD ARE MANIFEST, AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL: WHOSOEVER DOETH NOT RIGHTEOUSNESS IS NOT OF GOD, NEITHER HE THAT LOVETH NOT HIS BROTHER. 11 FOR THIS IS THE MESSAGE THAT YE HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT WE SHOULD LOVE ONE ANOTHER. 12 NOT AS CAIN, WHO WAS OF THAT WICKED ONE, AND SLEW HIS BROTHER. AND WHEREFORE SLEW HE HIM? BECAUSE HIS OWN WORKS WERE EVIL, AND HIS BROTHER'S RIGHTEOUS. 13 MARVEL NOT, MY BRETHREN, IF THE WORLD HATE YOU. 14 WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE, BECAUSE WE LOVE THE BRETHREN. HE THAT LOVETH NOT HIS BROTHER ABIDETH IN DEATH. " We can talk about faith. We can talk about revival. We can talk about God. But if our talk is only that and our faith only goes as far as talking about it and does not move us to action, then we need a reality check. That is not biblical faith. What good has it done you to say be filled and be at peace and DO NOTHING to help? This is a dynamic key in scripture. We need to understand this, for this is very practical for all of us. FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD! If our faith is alone and no works are produced from that faith, then there is no life of God in it and no fruit is coming forth. It is worthless! In fact, it is perhaps a little more dangerous that just not having faith outright. Because people who are "religious" enough to think that they have faith, but there is no fruit of the Spirit being produced and are not truly born again think that they are okay when they are not. THEY DO NOT KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM, SO THEY WILL NOT SEEK AN ANSWER. The person who knows that they are a sinner and are in need of God's grace is in a better position to believe upon Jesus as Lord and surrender their lives than the person who mistakenly thinks that they are "alright" when they are not. 2 PETER 1:10 " WHEREFORE THE RATHER, BRETHREN, GIVE DILIGENCE TO MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: FOR IF YE DO THESE THINGS, YE SHALL NEVER FALL: " The context of the 2 Peter scripture gives a practical backing to this teaching in James. 2 PETER 1:5-10 " 5 AND BESIDE THIS, GIVING ALL DILIGENCE, ADD TO YOUR FAITH VIRTUE; AND TO VIRTUE KNOWLEDGE; 6 AND TO KNOWLEDGE TEMPERANCE; AND TO TEMPERANCE PATIENCE; AND TO PATIENCE GODLINESS; 7 AND TO GODLINESS BROTHERLY KINDNESS; AND TO BROTHERLY KINDNESS CHARITY. 8 FOR IF THESE THINGS BE IN YOU, AND ABOUND, THEY MAKE YOU THAT YE SHALL NEITHER BE BARREN NOR UNFRUITFUL IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST. 9 BUT HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF, AND HATH FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS. 10 WHEREFORE THE RATHER, BRETHREN, GIVE DILIGENCE TO MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: FOR IF YE DO THESE THINGS, YE SHALL NEVER FALL: " You could also look at JOHN 15 and the illustration of Jesus being the True Vine and we being the branches. The branches connected to the Vine will produce fruit for the life giving force that comes from Jesus through the Holy Spirit flows into us and produces life. But those branches not truly connected are gathered together and "burned" in the fire. It is a very vivid warning and exhortation to be connected to Jesus Christ. JOHN 15:1-8 " 1 I AM THE TRUE VINE, AND MY FATHER IS THE HUSBANDMAN. 2 EVERY BRANCH IN ME THAT BEARETH NOT FRUIT HE TAKETH AWAY: AND EVERY BRANCH THAT BEARETH FRUIT, HE PURGETH IT, THAT IT MAY BRING FORTH MORE FRUIT. 3 NOW YE ARE CLEAN THROUGH THE WORD WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN UNTO YOU. 4 ABIDE IN ME, AND I IN YOU. AS THE BRANCH CANNOT BEAR FRUIT OF ITSELF, EXCEPT IT ABIDE IN THE VINE; NO MORE CAN YE, EXCEPT YE ABIDE IN ME. 5 I AM THE VINE, YE ARE THE BRANCHES: HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME, AND I IN HIM, THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT: FOR WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING. 6 IF A MAN ABIDE NOT IN ME, HE IS CAST FORTH AS A BRANCH, AND IS WITHERED; AND MEN GATHER THEM, AND CAST THEM INTO THE FIRE, AND THEY ARE BURNED. 7 IF YE ABIDE IN ME, AND MY WORDS ABIDE IN YOU, YE SHALL ASK WHAT YE WILL, AND IT SHALL BE DONE UNTO YOU. 8 HEREIN IS MY FATHER GLORIFIED, THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT; SO SHALL YE BE MY DISCIPLES. " The "life" comes from Jesus Christ. Faith that connects us to Jesus brings God's life and power into our own lives. But when you see no works associated with someone's "faith", then it is not of God and not surrendering to Jesus and is "dead". There are a lot of religious people in the Christian movement that has never truly been born again, and there is no fruit of the Spirit in their lives. Their faith is vain. Their faith is dead. JAMES 2:18-19 " 18 YEA, A MAN MAY SAY, THOU HAST FAITH, AND I HAVE WORKS: SHEW ME THY FAITH WITHOUT THY WORKS, AND I WILL SHEW THEE MY FAITH BY MY WORKS. 19 THOU BELIEVEST THAT THERE IS ONE GOD; THOU DOEST WELL: THE DEVILS ALSO BELIEVE, AND TREMBLE" This is a challenge to get real with your faith. If there is no works to go along with your faith, then there is no evidence of Christ's new life. If there is no evidence, then it hasn't occurred. If there is no works coming forth, then nothing has happened to you spiritually. This is not a philosophical exercise. If true faith is connecting us up to Jesus, then we will have a very real transformation and change that brings the works of God in our lives. You will be able to "show" that there has been a true change. The works will be the witness. The works do not save us. The works do not make us righteous. The reality of Jesus moving in our lives gives us those works. The works follow true faith. JAMES 2:18 (AMP) " BUT SOMEONE WILL SAY [TO YOU THEN], YOU [SAY YOU] HAVE FAITH, AND I HAVE [GOOD] WORKS. NOW YOU SHOW ME YOUR [ALLEGED] FAITH APART FROM ANY [GOOD] WORKS [IF YOU CAN], AND I BY [GOOD] WORKS [OF OBEDIENCE] WILL SHOW YOU MY FAITH. " You have works and I have faith as if the two things can be separated. If they are truly the works of God, then they came by faith. If your faith is real and connected into Jesus Christ, then the works of God will come. YOU CAN NEVER SEPARATE THESE FAITH FROM THE WORKS THAT FOLLOW IF IT IS REAL. FAITH PRODUCES WORKS. You can say what you want and claim to have any kind of esoteric faith, but when we have true faith in God then the Word of God starts coming alive in us and we Jesus in our lives. When there are needs, then the love and anointing to move us to do something will rise up and activate us. He gives that bold statement; I will show you my faith by my works. It will be evident. Just believing in one God is not enough. The demons (as cited above) knew who Jesus was and even honored Him in fear. But their destiny is Hell. It does us no good when our faith is not strong enough to produce the works of God in our lives. It is simply dead religion when we do that. Muslims believe in one God, and yet they think that Jesus was just a prophet instead of the Way, the Truth and the Life. And the reality is that this is God's only begotten Son who is the way that God has given that we can approach God. There is no other way to the Father. JOHN 14:6 " JESUS SAITH UNTO HIM, I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME. " There are still others who claim Jesus, but they only have some head knowledge and have never truly submitted to Him as Lord. They use the name of Jesus and go through their rituals, but they have never truly been born again. JOHN 3:3-8 " 3 JESUS ANSWERED AND SAID UNTO HIM, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO THEE, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, HE CANNOT SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 4 NICODEMUS SAITH UNTO HIM, HOW CAN A MAN BE BORN WHEN HE IS OLD? CAN HE ENTER THE SECOND TIME INTO HIS MOTHER'S WOMB, AND BE BORN? 5 JESUS ANSWERED, VERILY, VERILY, I SAY UNTO THEE, EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN OF WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, HE CANNOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. 6 THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE FLESH IS FLESH; AND THAT WHICH IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. 7 MARVEL NOT THAT I SAID UNTO THEE, YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN. 8 THE WIND BLOWETH WHERE IT LISTETH, AND THOU HEAREST THE SOUND THEREOF, BUT CANST NOT TELL WHENCE IT COMETH, AND WHITHER IT GOETH: SO IS EVERY ONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT. " ROMANS 10:12-17 " 12 FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JEW AND THE GREEK: FOR THE SAME LORD OVER ALL IS RICH UNTO ALL THAT CALL UPON HIM. 13 FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED. 14 HOW THEN SHALL THEY CALL ON HIM IN WHOM THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED? AND HOW SHALL THEY BELIEVE IN HIM OF WHOM THEY HAVE NOT HEARD? AND HOW SHALL THEY HEAR WITHOUT A PREACHER? 15 AND HOW SHALL THEY PREACH, EXCEPT THEY BE SENT? AS IT IS WRITTEN, HOW BEAUTIFUL ARE THE FEET OF THEM THAT PREACH THE GOSPEL OF PEACE, AND BRING GLAD TIDINGS OF GOOD THINGS! 16 BUT THEY HAVE NOT ALL OBEYED THE GOSPEL. FOR ESAIAS SAITH, LORD, WHO HATH BELIEVED OUR REPORT? 17 SO THEN FAITH COMETH BY HEARING, AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD. " Others take what they want and throw away what they do not like from the Word of God de-emphasizing the truth of the scriptures for politically correct expediency (as the Emergent Church Movement) and talk about another Jesus that is not the Jesus of the Bible and preach another gospel. GALATIANS 1:6-9 " 6 I MARVEL THAT YE ARE SO SOON REMOVED FROM HIM THAT CALLED YOU INTO THE GRACE OF CHRIST UNTO ANOTHER GOSPEL: 7 WHICH IS NOT ANOTHER; BUT THERE BE SOME THAT TROUBLE YOU, AND WOULD PERVERT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST. 8 BUT THOUGH WE, OR AN ANGEL FROM HEAVEN, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU THAN THAT WHICH WE HAVE PREACHED UNTO YOU, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. 9 AS WE SAID BEFORE, SO SAY I NOW AGAIN, IF ANY MAN PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL UNTO YOU THAN THAT YE HAVE RECEIVED, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. " Religion without a walking faith in Jesus is dead and will produce spiritual deadness. True Christians who have an active faith are not all that religious as far as rituals and traditions go. It is those who are not true worshipers who do not walk in the Spirit and Truth together that either fall into the legalism/traditionalism or the liberalist/universalist traps. Those folks fall into men's philosophies and have a form of godliness that denies the power thereof. The Apostle Paul told us to turn away from that kind of dead religion. It has no life in it. 2 TIMOTHY 3:5 " HAVING A FORM OF GODLINESS, BUT DENYING THE POWER THEREOF: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY. " It has to go beyond a surface faith. True faith will have you obey also. It is those who have enough faith to obey the Word of God that sees the Word and the promise of God come alive in them. JOHN 4:23-24 " 23 BUT THE HOUR COMETH, AND NOW IS, WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: FOR THE FATHER SEEKETH SUCH TO WORSHIP HIM. 24 GOD IS A SPIRIT: AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. " 2 THESSALONIANS 1:7-9 " 7 AND TO YOU WHO ARE TROUBLED REST WITH US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, 8 IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: 9 WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER; " MATTHEW 7:21 " NOT EVERY ONE THAT SAITH UNTO ME, LORD, LORD, SHALL ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN; BUT HE THAT DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN. " Teaching to be ministered at the Dressen Church of God April 8, 2009 by Rev. James Dale Coldiron Voice of the Watchman Ministries Warriors of God Christian Forums FireStorm *Quote:* Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Please visit us at the Warriors of God Christian Forums or visit our companion website, The Voice of the Watchman which contains many Bible Studies, and sermons outlines, and various study aids from practical Christian living to the Last Days to Spiritual Warfare. Both text and audio studies are available. 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A Disciple Posts: 9853 04/08/09 16:38:36 Servant of the Lord	Thank you for this brother..... There are catagories in true and false Christians.....I have always said true salvation changes your desires....."want to's".... There are lost people who actually have more good works than some saved people.....and some saved people that do bear the fruit of being born again.....there are also saved people that have false fruits.....they do things for a show to be noticed of people....there are excuse Christians......we know what we should do, but, somehow manage to find an excuse.....I was thinking, what if God put us off like we do Him... While I was reading this, I thought of the bad ice storm we had here......they are still picking up limbs and debris from it......we had to pile it out by the road for pick up......I noticed the big healthy limbs that were broken away from the main trunk, how they immediately started withering, and finally dried up and died...... The same way with us Christians.......when we listen to satan, and break away from the true vine, we wither away........only getting back in the true vine can we regain the joy of our salvation, and be of service to Christ, producing the fruit we once did.... sooo Those who matter don't judge me. Those who judge me don't matter. --Unknown
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A Disciple Posts: 157 04/08/09 18:22:51	Thank You God bless you. *WhiteTigerLuv aka RefinersFire*
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A Disciple Posts: 434 04/08/09 22:06:32 Servant of the Lord	Ah, Brother James... You always have such wonderful words to preach. As I read them, I can feel that the words that you share come from God the Father of all creations. Thank you, Soo, WhiteTigerLuv, Arkseven, Don and others for helping to bring this all important forum back to life again. Love in Christ Jesus, CD If you believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go now to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself, that where I am, there ye may be also. Last Edited By: Christ Disciple08 04/08/09 22:08:47. Edited 1 time.
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A Disciple Posts: 11808 04/12/09 18:28:44 Servant of the Lord	That was a great sermon! I pray to God to increase my faith all the time. I believe our faith can grow and grow. That was wonderful. Loved it! Love, Brenna
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A Disciple Posts: 158 04/14/09 01:36:39	Yous like that stuff? God said, in the law, not to eat it. (Lev 7:24-25) Dead Faith from the Book of James That title is enough for me. Very self revealing. James is not so confounding, to me. Faith means to pick up the books of Moses, and to do all the words of the law therein, because you believe God `Paul But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. James 1:25
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A Disciple Posts: 1849 04/14/09 20:10:56 Servant of the Lord	James, May I use this study, (or an abreivated version) to share at our brotherhood? Well, done my friend! There will come a day unlike any other day, an event unlike any other event and a crisis unlike any other crisis. It will emerge out of nowhere at a time no one expects. It will be an event that no one anticipates—a crisis that experts didn’t foresee. It will be “The End Of The World As We Know It�?….in America. Prepare Spiritually, Mentally and Physically, NOW!
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A Disciple Posts: 17593 04/14/09 20:28:34 A Watchman	Hi Paul... how ya doin? Odd response that you have there... truly odd considering the thread. What you said has nothing to do with the topic, so I asked are you feeling okay. Odd... Uh... first of all, since Jesus went to the cross, there has not been a need for any blood sacrifices given on an altar to Yahweh. Uh... that Law of Moses was put to death (Colossians 2 for example... though as I remember it you don't care much for the Apostle Paul's writings in the Bible) on the cross with Jesus Christ as HE literally fulfilled that law to bring in the New Covenant with the New Law. Uh... what in da world does eating the fat of the sacrifice offered to Yahweh on a Mosaic-Law altar... there has not been an offering given like that in almost 2000 years. Why would we like eating the fat of a burnt offering? Oddsbotkins, man what does that mean or have anything to do with Faith without Works being dead? Leviticus 7:24-25 24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it. 25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. HUH? Colossians 2:13-17 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Uh... the thing is Paul, you are simply wrong by what the Apostles of Jesus Christ taught. I don't call you wrong, God's Word does. Faith is not picking up the book of Moses... in fact, if you believe that then you have been bewitched and need to find the simple faith in Jesus Christ and the New Covenant and be free from the curse of the Law. I already quoted from Colossians 2... how about... Romans 8:1-5 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. It is not the Law of Sin and Death (the Mosaic Law) that we are under... that had force or authority under the Old Covenant, which was finished in Jesus at the cross to bring the better New Covenant with the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus now. We keep the Kingdom message of Jesus Christ handed to us by His Apostles. If you really want to be under the curse of the Law, then that is your business, but it has nothing to do with the faith that James is speaking of... it does not say what you say and does not even come close. Galatians 3:1-13 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: You can believe it or reject the Word of God... your choice. But faith has not been picking up the books of Moses for 2000 years, and even before that... it wasn't just picking them up... it was doing it... and sadly, you just couldn't do it. Nobody could, which is why it was a curse. It revealed the righteousness of God and your total inabiblity to keep it. It was a schoolmaster teaching you, but only leading you until Jesus came... then it was finished in Him and nailed to His cross. You cannot be saved and going to heaven under the New Covenant that Jesus died and rose again to bring to us and stay under a dead law that was nailed to His cross at His crucifixion at the same time. What you are saying is this... "Yahweh, your only begotten Son Y'Shua was not enough to forgive me and save my soul and His commandments were not enough, but I have to add the Law that was temporary for another time and another people as well because Y'Shua was just not enough even though this is who you sent and it is Your Way." Its a dangerous thing to do, Paul. Be careful... for your own soul's sake, take care man. I noticed you on the Messiahist's site... I wondered if his posting and my locking that one thread of his might remind you of us. Either way, its good to see you again. But understand, that Jesus Christ is getting ready to return... things are getting very serious for this world... all of us... and I just will not play any games when it comes to this legalistic stuff. The reality is that we are not lawless, but we are under the Law of the Spirit under Jesus Christ and the cross... not the dead Law of Moses. Same author... different covenant and different times, and now it is to the whole world and not just the nation of Israel. James FireStorm *Quote:* Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Please visit us at the Warriors of God Christian Forums or visit our companion website, The Voice of the Watchman which contains many Bible Studies, and sermons outlines, and various study aids from practical Christian living to the Last Days to Spiritual Warfare. Both text and audio studies are available.
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A Disciple Posts: 160 04/20/09 01:09:32	Hi, James. You feeling okay, Paul? I only ever be exceeding glad. I pray it on you too. Hi Paul... how ya doin? Well, thank you. The Father rewards me well. Odd response that you have there... truly odd considering the thread. What you said has nothing to do with the topic, so I asked are you feeling okay. Odd... I didn't wish to speak to it, for it was long and evil, but I wanted to deliver another message instead. One of a living faith in God's law, which I believe James had. Uh... first of all, since Jesus went to the cross, there has not been a need for any blood sacrifices given on an altar to Yahweh. Uh... that Law of Moses was put to death (Colossians 2 for example... though as I remember it you don't care much for the Apostle Paul's writings in the Bible) on the cross with Jesus Christ as HE literally fulfilled that law to bring in the New Covenant with the New Law. Jesus died for you. God's law died for you. And you are conveniently saved from having to do the Father's will? As God commands us, and as Jesus set the example, I strive to fulfil His law, even all the words of it, and even as St James exhorts us to. Uh... what in da world does eating the fat of the sacrifice offered to Yahweh on a Mosaic-Law altar... there has not been an offering given like that in almost 2000 years. Why would we like eating the fat of a burnt offering? Oddsbotkins, man what does that mean or have anything to do with Faith without Works being dead? You don't know yet? [I don't wonder why, since you confess you have forsaken His law] Your offering here is your beast, which you put in the fire (the mix of human consciousness). I eat not the fat of it [don't buy into your beliefs]. I only ever eat unleavened bread [God's, or Jesus', words], except when I am dashing the blood of other's beasts out against all the sides of His altar. Yes. That is what was so odd, to you. And offensive. For who does like the blood of their offerings being poured out, and covered over with dust? Leviticus 7:24-25 24 And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it. 25 For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from his people. HUH? Colossians 2:13-17 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Uh... 1 Corinthians 8 is where St Paul addresses this commandment. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.} Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend. 1 Corinthians 8:10-13 the thing is Paul, you are simply wrong by what the Apostles of Jesus Christ taught. I don't call you wrong, God's Word does. Faith is not picking up the book of Moses... in fact, if you believe that then you have been bewitched and need to find the simple faith in Jesus Christ and the New Covenant and be free from the curse of the Law. You called me wrong by God's words, but I hear God's words. And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of His kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in His kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel. Deuteronomy 17:18-20 My faith is in God's law, it is His word, and, by keeping it, I am freed from the curse of not keeping it. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Deuteronomy 28:15 You're saying you are free from the curse, because you do not hearken to the law? For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; ( For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. ) Romans 2:12-13 how about... Romans 8:1-5 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. How about... Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19 You appear to keep St Paul's sayings in context with your own (the Christian Church's??) beliefs. I keep Jesus' saying. That way I am in Christ, and come not into condemnation. Now for your belief. It is not the Law of Sin and Death (the Mosaic Law) that we are under... that had force or authority under the Old Covenant, which was finished in Jesus at the cross to bring the better New Covenant with the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus now. We keep the Kingdom message of Jesus Christ handed to us by His Apostles. If you really want to be under the curse of the Law, then that is your business, but it has nothing to do with the faith that James is speaking of... James is a big advocate of doing all the law, to me. But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: James 1:22-23 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. James 1:25 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. James 2:10-12 God's law will keep you from sin and death, if you will but keep it, to do it all. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:26 it does not say what you say and does not even come close. I use copy and paste, so it ought to be fairly close. When you accuse my words, can you place the ones you speak of, so we know which word of mine you are speaking to, and which I need to correct, if your returned doctrine be sound? ~` What does putting a whole half chapter of Galations serve? Keep you off what Jesus said, does it? If ye love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15 You can believe it or reject the Word of God... your choice. I'm believing it all. I'm not rejecting the commandments for a few slices of what St Paul said, as you appear to be trying to convince me to do. And if you take what St Paul said, in context of what Jesus and Moses spoke, you may find it means other than what you now surmise. But faith has not been picking up the books of Moses for 2000 years, and even before that... it wasn't just picking them up... it was doing it... and sadly, you just couldn't do it. Nobody could, which is why it was a curse. It revealed the righteousness of God and your total inabiblity to keep it. It was a schoolmaster teaching you, but only leading you until Jesus came... then it was finished in Him and nailed to His cross. Jesus rose again, and you will see Him in the judgment. The fact that wicked High Priests had Him crucified doesn't get you off doing all that He commanded. And His commandments are a delight. And His kingdom is heaven. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You cannot be saved and going to heaven under the New Covenant that Jesus died and rose again to bring to us and stay under a dead law that was nailed to His cross at His crucifixion at the same time. So you say. I keep Jesus' saying, that's how come I never see death [and am established in His kingdom of heaven]. I don't eat the fat of your beasts, and that one truly is a beast. If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; John 14:15-16 What you are saying is this... "Yahweh, your only begotten Son Y'Shua was not enough to forgive me and save my soul and His commandments were not enough, but I have to add the Law that was temporary for another time and another people as well because Y'Shua was just not enough even though this is who you sent and it is Your Way." Its a dangerous thing to do, Paul. Be careful... for your own soul's sake, take care man. I would have you without carefulness, James. That is not what I said, and nothing like what I was saying. Cut and paste, please, if you want to quote me accurately. I keep ONLY Jesus' saying, for He IS enough for me. Those that don't love Jesus, keep not His sayings, and every man's word is his burden. I noticed you on the Messiahist's site... I wondered if his posting and my locking that one thread of his might remind you of us. I'm on lots of sites, James. Either way, its good to see you again. Yes, for me too. Don't think I don't love you guys when I offer my corrections. I do that out of my love for the Lord. But understand, that Jesus Christ is getting ready to return... But I said unto you, That ye also have seen Me, and believe not. John 6:36 I stand before Him, at least three times a year. He comes quickly. Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD. Exodus 23:17 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book. Revelation 22:7 things are getting very serious for this world... all of us... and I just will not play any games when it comes to this legalistic stuff. The reality is that we are not lawless, but we are under the Law of the Spirit under Jesus Christ and the cross... not the dead Law of Moses. Same author... different covenant and different times, and now it is to the whole world and not just the nation of Israel. You speak against keeping God's law. And you haven't seen Jesus yet. If your not teaching His commandments, and you haven't seen Himself yourself yet, why should anyone eat your knowledge? He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. John 14:21 There were some standing before Jesus who got to see the Son coming in His kingdom, and in the glory of the Father and His angels, before they died. I chose to be as these. The Lord Jesus gave His commandments to His children through Moses, according to my understanding of God's word in your holy book, therefore I surmise that these who saw Him were the same who kept His commandments. And I work to convince you, exhorting you with scriptures and sound doctrine. I don't mind if you call wrong, but you gain no convincement with me if you don't return sound doctrine, and if you just speak against all the scriptures I put. And as the High Priests crucified Jesus in the flesh, those that hate God, to do all He commanded us, do the same in spirit `Paul Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Malachi 4:4 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words? John 5:56-47 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are Thy ways, Thou King of saints. Revelation 15:2-3 Last Edited By: comingfrom 04/20/09 02:08:12. Edited 1 time.
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A Disciple Posts: 162 04/22/09 03:43:20	You feeling OK, James? I'm concerned for you, for I expected a reply. How are you doing? All is well with you, and your family, I pray I'm hoping, you've just decided to review Leviticus again, before responding, and that's the only reason you delay `Paul
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A Disciple Posts: 17611 04/30/09 22:31:18 A Watchman	I appreciate your concern though... sorry for the delay. Sigh... as far as the response goes... I understand Leviticus... and that this covenant has been finished in Christ. It is good to study to understand what Israel was under until the Messiah came, but He has now come and the New Covenant is now in force. I personally do not want to be under the Curse of the Law (which is bound to Leviticus)... I am under the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ under Jesus Christ that He b'reethed or cut in His own body and blood at the cross. Jesus is enough... Jesus is God's way, truth, and life and the way to the Father and I don't need to reject the New... which is what we do when we try and bring ourselves back under the curse of the Old. If you want to do that... it is your business, but it is not what Jesus and the Apostles taught... in fact, it is in opposition to the cross. Hebrews 7:11-12 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. You need to listen... not assume that you know what I am saying, but go back and really read what I have already said along with this please... please so that you can understand what I really am saying and said. WE ARE NOT LAWLESS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT, BUT WE ARE UNDER THE LAW OF THE NEW COVENANT AND NOT THE OLD. You cannot be under both... to be under the old is to reject the new since it died on the cross with Jesus. JESUS SAID THAT IF YOU LOVED HIM TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, so we are not lawless, but we are not under the Law of Moses either... that has been finished and put to death with Jesus. We are under the Kingdom of God now... and the Law of the Spirit. I put the scriptures down in the text... it was not meant to be evil... the Word of God should not be considered evil to you. The danger is apostasy in going back to the old... that is what the Apostle Paul warned us about. Those who became Christian believers and then went "back" to the Law of Moses and said that Jesus was not enough... were in danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Please take care... read what I posted and not just the highlight... read it all please... it is there... the scriptures were there and taken in context also. I HAVE NOT PROFESSED TO FORSAKEN GOD'S LAW... FAR FROM IT AND I DID NOT SAY THAT... BUT I AM UNDER HIS LAW OF THE NEW COVENANT FOR THE OLD HAS PASSED AWAY LITERALLY WITH JESUS ON THE CROSS... IT HAS NO POWER ANY MORE. Romans 8:1-6 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. So... don't try to condemn me friend... I free from the Law of Sin and Death... I am now under the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS... NOT LAWLESS AT ALL! That is the irritating argument that the Seventh Day Adventist Greg used to try and use with me... it was ridiculous though. You could give scripture after scripture and he would totally ignore it. I really liked him, but he had a deaf ear when it came to that. You could take his scriptures and put them in context and then show the New Testament scriptures dealing with them in context and he would ignore it and just take a piece here or there (kind of like you just did claiming that I professed myself forsaking God's Law) and go on with all these others ignoring all that had been put to him. It became a useless endeavor because he just would not listen... too bad too, because he had a good mind. But it was closed. The part about the beast and the offering is kind of cosmic and honestly... don't think that there is a good response to that because I don't rationally know how to take it. Its very enigmatic, but does not really address the very real Word of God that was presented. See, I remember you... you just did not like the writings of the Apostles... you liked the gospels, but it bugged you to bring up the writings of Jesus' apostles especially Paul. But it is still the inspired Word of God... fits perfectly into all the rest of God's Word... actually authored by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... and it is up to you if you want to reject it or not, but I believe in the Word of God, and not just the parts that suit me. See, I do in fact study the Old Testament including the Torah, but I understand it in context to the reality of the New Covenant and what Jesus did on the Cross. The old has passed away... had to for the new to be birthed. The schoolmaster gave way to the better covenant. You don't have to agree with me... that's fine. I certainly don't believe yours. But you truly need to be careful about just dismissing the Word of God even if it is by the Apostles (odd wording it like that, but that has been your attitude especially with Paul). Yes Paul... if you have broken the least of the commandments... see Law is bound to the Covenant that gives it authority. That is why breaking the least of the commandments makes you guilty of it all. If Jesus had not died on the cross yet, then we would be under the Mosaic Law and those commandments that was bound to the still going on sacrifices of bulls and lambs. But that covenant was put to death on the cross along with its transgressions with Jesus and Jesus brought to us the New Covenant and the Law of the New Covenant is brought by the Spirit and written on our hearts and God gives us the power to actually live holy now... the Law of Moses brought death, the Law of the Spirit brings life. See, God gives us the power to be holy now... and we are transformed from glory to glory by the Holy Spirit and the Word more and more into the image of Jesus Christ. That is the power of the New Covenant and being a believer. Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. God has created us to walk in those works of God and we can now through the Spirit. It is a better covenant with better promises and its own Law that we are under. If we love Him, then we will keep Jesus' commandments. But that is not the Law of Moses friend... that is abundantly clear through the New Testament... better law based on a better covenant... and the power to keep it now. If you try and put yourself under the Law of Moses, you are forsaking Jesus... and that dangerous to your soul. Galatians 3:10-14 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. What you are doing is saying, "Jesus... you went to the cross to pay the price to get me out from under the Law of Moses and its curse, but I am going to put myself under it anyway." John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Romans 1:16-18 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 5:13-15 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Romans 5:18-21 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Hebrews 7:18-19 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. Galatians 3:24-27 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Hebrews 8:6-13 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. But the following hits on the real danger that we have when we say that Jesus Christ and the Law of the New Covenant is not enough and we have to bring from the dead the Law of Moses to be righteous also... Galatians 3:1-5 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Hebrews 6:1-6 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Galatians 5:1-9 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. I thank God for the liberty from the curse of the Law of Moses... it could only reveal my sin and be a temporary measure until Jesus Christ came and died on the cross taking my sin and the Law... and bringing the New Life of the Spirit and the Law of the Kingdom into being. I am not lawless, but I am under the Law of Jesus Christ and I keep His commandments because I love Him. I have much better promises than those given in Leviticus... and am thankful for the better promises and better covenant... it is God's Way... Jesus Christ. Thanks for the spiritual exercise and the bible study tonight... that was nice! God is so good! Anyway... have a look at these... I didn't just regurgitate some study I had lying around... I went into the Word tonight to share with you... so, take some time please to see what I wrote. And please don't accuse me of saying I am free from God's Law again... not true, my friend. I am just under the Law of the New Covenant, and not the Old Mosaic one which has passed away at the cross. James FireStorm *Quote:* Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Please visit us at the Warriors of God Christian Forums or visit our companion website, The Voice of the Watchman which contains many Bible Studies, and sermons outlines, and various study aids from practical Christian living to the Last Days to Spiritual Warfare. Both text and audio studies are available.
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A Disciple Posts: 170 05/10/09 01:59:22	Thank you, Jim. Sigh... The new wine mourneth, the vine languisheth, all the merryhearted do sigh. Isaiah 24:7 And you did do a merryhearted preach. as far as the response goes... I understand Leviticus... and that this covenant has been finished in Christ. If ye love Me, keep My commandments. John 15:14 It is good to study to understand what Israel was under until the Messiah came, but He has now come and the New Covenant is now in force. This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Hebrews 10:16 I personally do not want to be under the Curse of the Law (which is bound to Leviticus)... Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19 I am under the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ under Jesus Christ that He b'reethed or cut in His own body and blood at the cross. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Romans 2:14 Jesus is enough... Jesus is God's way, truth, and life and the way to the Father and I don't need to reject the New... If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love; even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love. John 15:10 which is what we do when we try and bring ourselves back under the curse of the Old. Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known. Deuteronomy 11:26-28 If you want to do that... it is your business, but it is not what Jesus and the Apostles taught...in fact, it is in opposition to the cross. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom, James. I believe in Jesus, and in the word of God, and not in the cross, nor in the word of the cross. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him. He that loveth Me not keepeth not My sayings: and the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father's which sent Me. John 14:23 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words? John 5:46-47 Hebrews 7:11-12 11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. Take heed to thyself that thou forsake not the Levite as long as thou livest upon the earth. Deuteronomy 12:19 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. Deuteronomy 14:27 But as for us, the LORD is our God, and we have not forsaken Him; and the priests, which minister unto the LORD, are the sons of Aaron, and the Levites wait upon their business: And they burn unto the LORD every morning and every evening burnt sacrifices and sweet incense: the shewbread also set they in order upon the pure table; and the candlestick of gold with the lamps thereof, to burn every evening: for we keep the charge of the LORD our God; but ye have forsaken Him. 2 Chronicles 13:10-11 You need to listen...not assume that you know what I am saying, but go back and really read what I have already said along with this please... please so that you can understand what I really am saying and said. And the fat of the beast that dieth of itself, and the fat of that which is torn with beasts, may be used in any other use: but ye shall in no wise eat of it. For whosoever eateth the fat of the beast, of which men offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, even the soul that eateth it shall be cut off from His people. Leviticus 7:24-25 If I believe you, James, next thing we know, I'll be speaking against God's law too, even especially against them that believe Him to keep it. Shan't I? WE ARE NOT LAWLESS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT, BUT WE ARE UNDER THE LAW OF THE NEW COVENANT AND NOT THE OLD. You cannot be under both... to be under the old is to reject the new since it died on the cross with Jesus. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; Romans 2:12 JESUS SAID THAT IF YOU LOVED HIM TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, so we are not lawless, but we are not under the Law of Moses either... that has been finished and put to death with Jesus. Jesus gave us His commandments by the hand of His servant Moses. Remember ye the law of Moses My servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Malachi 4:4 We are under the Kingdom of God now... and the Law of the Spirit. One must repent, to inherit the promised land, yeah? Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it; And that ye may prolong your days in the land, which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give unto them and to their seed, a land that floweth with milk and honey. Deuteronomy 11:8-9 I put the scriptures down in the text... it was not meant to be evil... the Word of God should not be considered evil to you. Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. Exodus 31:16 You ought not consider that I consider God's words evil. The danger is apostasy in going back to the old... that is what the Apostle Paul warned us about. Those who became Christian believers and then went "back" to the Law of Moses and said that Jesus was not enough... were in danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Watch out for believing in modern Christianity, I say. God's Word was true from the beginning, but they will lead you astray. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: Exodus 34:12 Please take care... read what I posted and not just the highlight... read it all please... it is there... the scriptures were there and taken in context also. Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which He made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. Deuteronomy 4:23 I HAVE NOT PROFESSED TO FORSAKEN GOD'S LAW... FAR FROM IT AND I DID NOT SAY THAT... BUT I AM UNDER HIS LAW OF THE NEW COVENANT FOR THE OLD HAS PASSED AWAY LITERALLY WITH JESUS ON THE CROSS... IT HAS NO POWER ANY MORE. Substituting is a way of forsaking, isn't it? Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17 Ought we not follow Jesus, and strive to fulfil the law? I don't know why you believe the law is destroyed simply because He came. The best any Christian could offer me was that Jesus meant "fulfil" as a noun, an not as a verb, in this verse. If "fulfill" here meant "to end", then the law would be destroyed by His coming. Romans 8:1-6 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:7 So... don't try to condemn me friend... I free from the Law of Sin and Death... I am now under the LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS... NOT LAWLESS AT ALL! I am not come to condemn, but am here to praise His law. To exhort others to teach it, rather than the word of the cross, which teaches a new covenant in Jesus' death. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. John 14:21 That is the irritating argument that the Seventh Day Adventist Greg used to try and use with me... it was ridiculous though. The Lord appears to me when I afflict my soul, and offer up an offering made by fire, in the sabbath day. Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Leviticus 23:2-4 You could give scripture after scripture and he would totally ignore it. I really liked him, but he had a deaf ear when it came to that. You know an evil, a deaf. Yeah? So what has he to do with me? You and I know, most people are deaf that they keep their idols, aren't they? Few want to keep God's law, and every man has his excuses. Every man's word is his burden. You could take his scriptures and put them in context and then show the New Testament scriptures dealing with them in context and he would ignore it and just take a piece here or there (kind of like you just did claiming that I professed myself forsaking God's Law) and go on with all these others ignoring all that had been put to him. It became a useless endeavor because he just would not listen... You haven't forsaken the law, which He gave in Sinai? too bad too, because he had a good mind. But it was closed. When the heart shall turn to the Lord, then shall the vail be lifted and then they shall do all that the Lord commanded us by the hand of Moses. The part about the beast and the offering is kind of cosmic and honestly... don't think that there is a good response to that because I don't rationally know how to take it. Its very enigmatic, but does not really address the very real Word of God that was presented. Your beasts are all offerings to a god who is against God's law, aren't they? That's why I treat them as I do. It's nothing personal on you. In fact, I pray you come to see something of God's law from it. See, I remember you... you just did not like the writings of the Apostles... you liked the gospels, but it bugged you to bring up the writings of Jesus' apostles especially Paul. I've come a long way since then. I was confused by all the people speaking against God's law, and quoting sayings of St Paul to justify themselves in that. And they accused me of being partial with God's Word. But I know now, St Paul taught the law. If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 14:37 St Paul helped me understand about the beasts in Leviticus (1 Cor 8). But it is still the inspired Word of God... fits perfectly into all the rest of God's Word... actually authored by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit... and it is up to you if you want to reject it or not, but I believe in the Word of God, and not just the parts that suit me. They left out, or misinterpreted, some of St Paul's sayings. They preach a new covenant, a new law, the law of faith. They preach to believe [their interpretation of] St Paul, they call Jesus Lord, and they do not understand God's law by Moses. For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Romans 2:13 See, I do in fact study the Old Testament including the Torah, but I understand it in context to the reality of the New Covenant and what Jesus did on the Cross. The old has passed away... had to for the new to be birthed. The schoolmaster gave way to the better covenant. God's word is true from the beginning. His judgments endure forever. You hope and pray Jesus done "it" for you on the cross, and ask others to believe likewise, but He said, Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. You don't have to agree with me... that's fine. I certainly don't believe yours. Mine is the God of Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob. But you truly need to be careful about just dismissing the Word of God even if it is by the Apostles (odd wording it like that, but that has been your attitude especially with Paul). Don't you be careful of what you accuse your brethren of. After all, it's you who has dismissed the word by Moses, for your image of Jesus hanging on the cross for you, or whatever it is your new law is. Yes Paul... if you have broken the least of the commandments... see Law is bound to the Covenant that gives it authority. That is why breaking the least of the commandments makes you guilty of it all. Amen. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. Deuteronomy 27:26 If Jesus had not died on the cross yet, then we would be under the Mosaic Law and those commandments that was bound to the still going on sacrifices of bulls and lambs. The law of God is eternal. God never commanded man to kill animals. For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be My people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you. Jeremiah 7:22-23 But that covenant was put to death on the cross along with its transgressions with Jesus and Jesus brought to us the New Covenant and the Law of the New Covenant is brought by the Spirit and written on our hearts and God gives us the power to actually live holy now... the Law of Moses brought death, the Law of the Spirit brings life. In your religion. According to the scripture, God's covenant is perpetual. And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between Me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: Genesis 9:12 See, God gives us the power to be holy now... and we are transformed from glory to glory by the Holy Spirit and the Word more and more into the image of Jesus Christ. When has God refused a repentant man? That is the power of the New Covenant and being a believer. And the thief's faith is that there is no judment for them who do evil. Ephesians 2:8-10 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. My faith is in what Jesus said, and I keep His saying, lest I boast. Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death. John 8:51 God has created us to walk in those works of God and we can now through the Spirit. And this work of the candlestick was of beaten gold, unto the shaft thereof, unto the flowers thereof, was beaten work: according unto the pattern which the LORD had shewed Moses, so he made the candlestick. Numbers 8:4 It is a better covenant with better promises and its own Law that we are under. If we love Him, then we will keep Jesus' commandments. But that is not the Law of Moses friend... that is abundantly clear through the New Testament... better law based on a better covenant... and the power to keep it now. I doubt any new covenant can save us from God's covenant. But if ye will not hearken unto Me, and will not do all these commandments; And if ye shall despise My statutes, or if your soul abhor My judgments, so that ye will not do all My commandments, but that ye break My covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. And I will set My face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. Leviticus 26:14-18 And I'm more than happy with the blessings promised in the law. I'm in rapture. If you try and put yourself under the Law of Moses, you are forsaking Jesus... and that dangerous to your soul. Because you forsake the law, for your faith in Jesus' death, a new covenant, the cross, or whatever it is, I do not suppose your christ is from Jesus. That's the measure by which I try spirits. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed Me: for he wrote of Me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe My words? John 5:46-47 Galatians 3:10-14 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. What is reason, for me, to keep the law, to do all the words of it. "for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Galations 5:3 He circumcized my heart. Jesus has redeemed us from the curse of the Law. What you are doing is saying, "Jesus... you went to the cross to pay the price to get me out from under the Law of Moses and its curse, but I am going to put myself under it anyway." But if you believe in your faith, in you saying that, and do not keep, do, and teach, His saying, then how are you redeemed by Him? For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16 John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. If ye love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15 John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; John 14:15-16 Romans 1:16-18 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; But you are ashamed of His gospel. You put His law, His words, away for believing on His death, haven't you? Leastwise, that's what you have just taught. Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, and upon thy gates: That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth. Deuteronomy 11:18-21 The law contains how to hold truth in righteousness. Romans 5:13-15 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. What you're teaching us is, lay up these certain words of St Paul, and leave off what God said by Moses. These all mean there is no law, but faith. Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written. Romans 2:23-24 Romans 5:18-21 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? Romans 2:25-27 St Paul said only doers of the law are justifed before God, didn't He? Same as Jesus saying, Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into heaven. Hebrews 7:18-19 18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Romans 7:14 If we keep the commandments, Lord shall appear unto us, and make atonement for us, before God. It's in the law. Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God. Leviticus 23:27-28 Keep His sabbaths, and make them holy. In the second day He revives us. On the third day He shall raise us up, and we shall live in His sight. Galatians 3:24-27 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. And after being given the Holy commandment, and being brought brought before Christ, teach others it has been superceded by a new covenant? Is that what you believe St Paul is saying? Keep 'the schoolmaster' from the people that they don't be brought to Christ? And you are not obliged to abide in the law yourself anymore because you were baptized by Him? I see it another way, they who are baptized of Christ come judging, and teaching the commandments, that others may also be brought to Jesus. The law is the light, Jesus is the light, the law is God's Word, Jesus is the Word of God come in the flesh. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them 1 Peter 2:21 Hebrews 8:6-13 6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. 8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten. Jeremiah 50:5 But the following hits on the real danger that we have when we say that Jesus Christ and the Law of the New Covenant is not enough and we have to bring from the dead the Law of Moses to be righteous also... The law which is ordained unto life, is death to you? And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak. John 12:50 Galatians 3:1-5 1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? His Spirit comes to me because I have His commandments, and I keep them. He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. John 14:21 And if your god commands you to insinuate such a one is a foolish Galation, tell him boo, from me. Hebrews 6:1-6 1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. To be where Jesus is, I deny myself, and make it my cross to follow Him. As per Leviticus 23, and Matthew 6. Galatians 5:1-9 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you. 9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. James 1:25 You are who call yourself justified in the law, yes? You said, through your faith in Jesus' death, and in the cross. I came teaching the law, saying to keep and do even the least commandments. Not that I am justified in the law, but that I am under commandment to teach it, as He commanded. I thank God for the liberty from the curse of the Law of Moses... To be liberated from the curse is to be liberated from the blessing also. Even the heathen who believe not have their reward, blessing for good, damnation for evil, yeah? it could only reveal my sin and be a temporary measure until Jesus Christ came and died on the cross taking my sin and the Law...and bringing the New Life of the Spirit and the Law of the Kingdom into being. If Jesus had not come, we would not have had sin. But now He has spoken to us, we know we have to do the Father's will, if we want to enter into the kingdom of heaven. I am not lawless, but I am under the Law of Jesus Christ and I keep His commandments because I love Him. But you taught us you don't have to keep them, because He died for you. You also exhorted me to believe on the cross too. Now you say, in that you keep them? If you did love Him, you would say to do all His law, instead of expecting us to believe you somehow fulfil them because of your faith, don't you think? Man, I have to strive hard to enter the narrow gate, but it's well worth it. I have much better promises than those given in Leviticus... and am thankful for the better promises and better covenant... it is God's Way... Jesus Christ. The kingdom of heaven is the land God sware to our Father's is the kingdom of God Jesus promised if we repent. Moses and Jesus preached the Gospel of the kingdom. What is the promise of your new covenant? These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth. Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. Deuteronomy 12:1-4 I destroyed every Christian notion within me, to rather keep God's word [what He said] in the law, and I have no regrets. Thanks for the spiritual exercise and the bible study tonight... that was nice! God is so good! You're welcome. That's why we do this. For teaching and for rejoicing in His Word. Teaching others even the least commandments. Anyway... have a look at these... I didn't just regurgitate some study I had lying around... I know, you've held onto your notions for a long time now. If you keep Jesus' saying, you'll never see death. I went into the Word tonight to share with you... You taught me what I know Christians believe and teach. I took the words of Jesus into my closet, and didn't leave until the Holy Ghost was given and He expounded them to me. so, take some time please to see what I wrote. Indeed I did this, and showed you the verses I rather keep. And please don't accuse me of saying I am free from God's Law again... not true, my friend. But you confess it, over and over. And you teach a new law as if you would like me to believe as you. I am just under the Law of the New Covenant, and not the Old Mosaic one which has passed away at the cross. I am under God's covenant to keep all the words of His law, and to teach others to observe even the least of them. If you do not do the least commandments, you're never going to get to plucking out your right eye `Paul And Moses with the elders of Israel commanded the people, saying, Keep all the commandments which I command you this day. And it shall be on the day when ye shall pass over Jordan unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, that thou shalt set thee up great stones, and plaister them with plaister: And thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law, when thou art passed over, that thou mayest go in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, a land that floweth with milk and honey; as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee. Deuteronomy 27:1-3 And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. Deuteronomy 27:8 Last Edited By: comingfrom 05/10/09 05:42:14. Edited 2 times.
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A Disciple Posts: 17638 05/15/09 18:12:32 A Watchman	And people say that I am long winded? I have nothing on you, friend. Uh... you have falsely accused me. You have surely as sure as you are taking breaths right now, falsely accused me of speaking against God's Law. You have no understanding of what I have said or written or you could not have said that. I am not a person who says that we are to be lawless. But we are under the law of the covenant that we are under... God has covenanted us through Jesus to the New Covenant and not the Old. I have nothing against the Law of Moses, but you can try your best to follow it and wind up in a literal Hell. That is not speaking against God's Law... that is speaking the gospel. The Law of Moses has died... dead... died on the cross. The cross is the center piece of the gospel and the message of the Kingdom. Jesus died on that cross and took our sin upon Himself and became sin who knew no sin. Without faith in that, you are lost. The Apostle Paul said that he would glory in the cross. Galatians 6:12-14 12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh. 14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. You have falsely accused me of speaking against God's Law. Not so... but I know that there is no life in the Law of Moses any more. Romans 8:1-4 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. The Law that the Christian is under is through Jesus and the New Covenant. The Old Covenant was to the Nation of Israel for that time to hold them until Jesus came and died for our sins and brought the better, New. That is the truth... the gospel message of the Kingdom and Jesus Christ is that King. With all of your swinging back and forth between this thing and the other... you have missed that. You need to rethink your basic premise and if you can't understand that I am promoting Jesus' commandments, then you have not been listening. Who has bewitched you Paul? Read through Galatians... it is appropriate. James FireStorm *Quote:* Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Please visit us at the Warriors of God Christian Forums or visit our companion website, The Voice of the Watchman which contains many Bible Studies, and sermons outlines, and various study aids from practical Christian living to the Last Days to Spiritual Warfare. Both text and audio studies are available.
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A Disciple Posts: 187 05/17/09 05:01:45	Thank you, James. You apparently cannot understand Apparently. Or maybe I choose not to keep Christian precepts. And people say that I am long winded? I have nothing on you, friend. It was long, but I only responded to all your comments, and answered your questions. Uh... you have falsely accused me. You have surely as sure as you are taking breaths right now, falsely accused me of speaking against God's Law. Have I? Didn't you say it is an old covenant? Didn't you call it a curse? to them who might keep it. You have no understanding of what I have said or written or you could not have said that. Maybe. Were you able to understand my points of view? I am not a person who says that we are to be lawless. But we are under the law of the covenant that we are under... Let me guess, the law of faith? You are right, I don't understand it. I had to overcome my faith, and keep Jesus' saying. For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 1 John 5:4 God has covenanted us through Jesus to the New Covenant and not the Old. I have to do as the scriptures say Jesus said, and then the Son of man shall appear. He comes in clouds with great glory, and many angels. I have nothing against the Law of Moses, but you can try your best to follow it and wind up in a literal Hell. If you don't keep the law, you mean. But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Deuteronomy 28:15 The rest of deuteronomy goes on to list every woe that will overtake them, and you have just spoken in direct contradiction to God's word. That is not speaking against God's Law... You are certainly not advocating it, nor are you teaching us to keep it, are you? Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28:20 that is speaking the gospel. The law is the gospel of the kingdom. Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it; And that ye may prolong your days in the land, which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give unto them and to their seed, a land that floweth with milk and honey. Deuteronomy 11:8-9 The Law of Moses has died... dead... died on the cross. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18 I teach the law, that I fufil the commandment to teach the law. The cross is the center piece of the gospel and the message of the Kingdom. The cross was a Roman implement of torture unto death. The selfsame instrument which was used to murder our Lord. Jesus died on that cross and took our sin upon Himself and became sin who knew no sin. Jesus was crucified because [the sin of] the Pharisees and the High Priests could not bear a man walking about in their midst teaching the truth. The cross is preached, rather than Jesus' Word, and the law, for that same reason today. Without faith in that, you are lost. My faith is in what Jesus said. He is the truth. And He comes quickly. The Apostle Paul said that he would glory in the cross. But He said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11:28 That's why; keep Jesus' saying. And glory in the Word `Paul My hands also will I lift up unto Thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in Thy statutes. Psalm 119:48 Last Edited By: comingfrom 05/17/09 06:10:26. Edited 4 times.
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A Disciple Posts: 17642 05/18/09 10:42:51 A Watchman	we cannot discuss this because of one fact... it isn't me that said that you are under a curse... it was God's Word... given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit that said that you are under the curse if you put yourself under the Law of Moses again... it is a slap against Jesus Christ and a rejection of the NEW COVENANT and what Christ did on the cross and the resurrection. You are rejecting Jesus Christ when you do this, and that does put you under the curse. God's Word (I gave quote to it) says it... it isn't my idea at all. Yes, you do reject Christian Teaching... that is clear. You try and cut out the Apostle's writings outside of the gospels it would seem... although this is all the same message of the Kingdom. It all flows together... the church always received it as God's Word... the warning is given in God's Word on those who believe as you do... they bewitched the Galatians. This is the reality of where we are. Why bewitch? Why use that word? For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and that is what this is. What you preach is "another Jesus" and "another gospel". That is inviting apostasy. We cannot and will never give into this kind of apostate teaching. It is death and a rejection of the New Covenant. It is the rejection of Jesus Christ and His covenant in the name of Jesus Christ. The gnostics also had a version of this same apostasy. I am not calling you an apostate... but take care please. You are rejecting God's Word and basic fundamental truths of the gospel. The New Testament is the direct result of Jesus' commandments to spread the gospel and make disciples. It is God's place, and not mine to judge people. But the message that you espouse is apostate. I don't hate you Paul and I don't fear you or anything along those lines. But I cannot just let what you say go either. For it would be spiritual poison to just receive what you are dishing out. It is "bewitching". John 4:23-24 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. You are rejecting the truth side of true worship. It must be marked. James FireStorm *Quote:* Philippians 3:8-10 " 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ, 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Please visit us at the Warriors of God Christian Forums or visit our companion website, The Voice of the Watchman which contains many Bible Studies, and sermons outlines, and various study aids from practical Christian living to the Last Days to Spiritual Warfare. Both text and audio studies are available.
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A Disciple Posts: 191 05/20/09 10:51:16	Thank you, James. The Reality is this we cannot discuss this because of one fact... it isn't me that said that you are under a curse... it was God's Word... given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit that said that you are under the curse if you put yourself under the Law of Moses again... I am blessed because I hearken to God's word, and I can discuss it. Even teach it. And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all His commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 28:1-2 it is a slap against Jesus Christ and a rejection of the NEW COVENANT and what Christ did on the cross and the resurrection. I vowed to Jesus Himself, to keep His eternal covenant. Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. Exodus 23:32 If ye love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15 You are rejecting Jesus Christ when you do this, and that does put you under the curse. I keep His saying, James, that I never see death. Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep My saying, he shall never see death. John 8:51 God's Word (I gave quote to it) says it... it isn't my idea at all. "it"? No, you said it, and you quoted a couple of sayings of St Paul, which is your reason you keep the saying you do. He blesses them that keep His law. Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Revelation 22:14 Yes, you do reject Christian Teaching... that is clear. Better to believe as the scriptures said to, I say. He that believeth on Me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:38 You try and cut out the Apostle's writings outside of the gospels it would seem... although this is all the same message of the Kingdom. It all flows together... the church always received it as God's Word... I try to hear what the spirit saith unto the churches. Those that receive Jesus, He gives them power to become the sons of God. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to Me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on Me shall never thirst. John 6:35 the warning is given in God's Word on those who believe as you do... they bewitched the Galatians. This is the reality of where we are. Bless you, James. I am keeping the law, whereby the Spirit of the Lord does come. Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which He made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. Deuteronomy 4:23 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. Leviticus 16:29-30 Why bewitch? Why use that word? Because it is of a condemnatory nature? If you are in a position to call me bewitched, you must be exceptionally blessed. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him. John 14:23 Jesus comes, if we would only keep His words, to do them. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and that is what this is. What you preach is "another Jesus" and "another gospel". That is inviting apostasy. It is I who keeps His saying, exhorting all to keep all the words of the law, therefore how is it I that is rebelling? It is you who keep other sayings, and exhort to believe as the churches say, as you just confessed. We cannot and will never give into this kind of apostate teaching. I know. I've been saying, believe Jesus, what He said, and observe to do all the things whatsoever He commanded us. I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you. John 8:37 It is death and a rejection of the New Covenant. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: Exodus 34:12 Lest it take you off keeping all the words of His law. It is the rejection of Jesus Christ and His covenant in the name of Jesus Christ. The gnostics also had a version of this same apostasy. Are you able to reject the word of the cross, and the doctrines of the churches? This is the apostasy that has gripped the world, isn't it? By getting people to believe on His death, and put their fath in that, the people are taken off doing all Jesus commanded. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24 It is the spirit that quickens, don't let it be quickened in the word of the churches. I am not calling you an apostate... but take care please. You're not confessing Jesus to me, but that I am evil, or deceived, or something. Jesus comes quickly. You are rejecting God's Word and basic fundamental truths of the gospel. I strive to keep all the words of His law, that was your gripe with me. Now it's because I reject them? Therefore shall ye lay up these My words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. Deuteronomy 11:18 It was your teaching to believe in the cross, and a new covenant, which I was rejecting. The New Testament is the direct result of Jesus' commandments to spread the gospel and make disciples. The New Testament is the new teastament of the same God. Jesus' Father. I am becoming a disciple. He is my Teacher. If ye abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is My Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be My disciples. John 15:7-8 It is God's place, and not mine to judge people. He gave all judgment to the Son of man. If a man believes God, He shall keep His judgments, which, if a man do, he shall live in them. Ye shall do my judgments, and keep Mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God. Ye shall therefore keep My statutes, and My judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. Leviticus 18:4-5 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 9:39 It was because you forsook judgment, that you took the word of the cross for the word of God. You only have to compare to what God in the scriptures said, to make a righteous judgment. Isn't it? But the message that you espouse is apostate. Believe Jesus, the words He spoke, that you perish not, but have everlasting life. That's my message. If one has His commandments, and keeps them, the Son of man shall manifest Himself to them. I know. I don't hate you Paul and I don't fear you or anything along those lines. But I cannot just let what you say go either. For it would be spiritual poison to just receive what you are dishing out. It is "bewitching". I find His law so too, but in an extraordinarily wonderful way. And I have said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt unto the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, unto a land flowing with milk and honey. Exodus 3:17 I love you John 4:23-24 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. It's not His truth to preach another covenant, is it? He (and the scriptures) warned me severely against such. And the new covenant which St Paul in the Bible said For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people: Hebrews 8:10 His covenant is with Levi. You are rejecting the truth side of true worship. It must be marked. You have repeated your accusation on me in several different ways. Bless you for that. Witness to us the heaven you found in the New Covenant. Teach us the commandments of your law of faith in Christ. Offer us a carrot, and not just the stick. The Father blesses us, if we keep and teach His commandments `Paul Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store. Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out. The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways. The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and He shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto Himself, as He hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in His ways. And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee. And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee. The LORD shall open unto thee His good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow. And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. Deuteronomy 28:3-14 Last Edited By: comingfrom 05/20/09 11:55:12. Edited 4 times.
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